Richard Sander, “Moving toward Integration”

We recently celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Fair Housing Act of 1968. A significant and groundbreaking piece of legislation. In retrospective, is it working? Is it fulfilling its promise of moving America toward a more inclusive, fair, and prosperous society?


On the podcast is Dr. Richard Sander, co-author of “Moving toward Integration: The past and future of Fair Housing.” Sander and his co-authors argue that housing segregation is the most significant factor driving racial inequality and preventing continued African-American advancement and full integration into American life.


The book has data-driven, practical solutions to promote greater integration without coercive social engineering.


On the show, we discuss how Sander came to the idea of writing this book, including his life experiences, the importance of empirical data and why politics might cloud rational decision making, and why society needs this book today. We then explore why academia is reluctant to approach such hot-button topics as race relations, particularly if the research and findings don’t fit certain accepted norms. Finally, he explains the value of integration, his prescriptions for successful integration, what is the role of government, and current issues in Fair Housing.


Links of note:

Richard Sander Bio (UCLA)
‘Moving Toward Integration’: A Q&A with Professor Richard Sander
Why are African Americans better off in San Diego than St. Louis? Fair housing
How to Make Fair Housing Truly Fair
50 years after the Fair Housing Act, bipartisanship is still hard, but possible
Richard Sander Speaks on the Challenges of Discussing Affirmative Action
Black, Asian homebuyers more likely to be denied home loans than white applicants in Hampton Roads
Attorney General Herring Files Brief Opposing Suspension of Hud’s Fair Housing Rule


About Richard Sander

Richard Sander is a nationally-acclaimed Professor of Law at UCLA School of Law, economist, and co-author of the new book, MOVING TOWARD INTEGRATION: The Past and Future of Fair Housing (with Yana A. Kucheva and Jonathan M. Zasloff).  He’s a leading legal authority on matters of race, housing, and affirmative action, and a prominent social scientist on issues of inequality.  Sander has appeared on major radio and television programs nationwide.  The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Economist, The Atlantic, and others have all written extensively about his work.  His previous book, Mismatch, has shown the importance of studying the actual effects of affirmative action policies, and reshaped the national and legal debate on that issue.

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